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Follow the specific name links above. The places are not linked yet but give an idea of some of the roots: the Bradleys in Suffolk, East London and Essex, and the Murrays in central and south east London and South Australia, while the Hopkins and Bustins are from Oxford, Merseyside and the north-east. I am afraid I like the narrative approach to family history, so if you just want the bare facts the name pages may appear very wordy! Click Family History Home to return to this page, and use the Find function (Ctrl F) to locate a particular name.

April 2nd 2010 I have rather belatedly discovered Google Books. I was taken there first from one particular keyword search on Google. It wasn't the first time I've done that search, so I guess Google Books must have added a lot more titles. I suddenly have a lot more references to Thos. Middleton & Co., of Loman Street, Southwark and Charles Henry Murray's chain pumps and brick-making machinery that I can follow up.

March 14th 2010 I've updated the Murray timeline to include lots of new information. That has meant removing some of the more peripheral details to keep it to a reasonable size.

Here's an interesting snippet I came across in a will while trying to follow up the Hodges surname used as a middle name for Andrew Hodges de Normanville Murray. It's the will of "James Hodges, Importer of Private Trade to the Honorable United East India Company now residing in the Hamlet of Poplar and Blackwall in the County of Middlesex" which was proved in London on the fourteenth of February 1780. He leaves one guinea for a ring to his daughter Sarah Jones "as a token of my fatherly love, she having a Husband to provide for her". Everything else he leaves to his wife Sarah Hodges. He goes into great detail about his marriage: "We was [sic] married the twenty-sixth day of August one thousand seven hundred and thirty five by the Reverend Doctor Mariot[?] in the parish church of Greenwich in the County of Kent by a Licence granted at the Commons the day before, viz. To James Hodges of the Parish of Saint Lawrence Pountney London Bachelor and Sarah Beale of the Parish of Saint Saviour Southwark in the County of Surry [sic] Spinster in the presence of Moses Beale her brother John Dixon parchment maker who then lived in Long Lane Southwark his wife and daughter Elizabeth Dixon. The reason I have been so particular is having some years ago occasion to examine the Register Book of the Church and found the Reverend Doctor had made an omission of the entry in the Church Book."

Apart from the comment that there are entries missing from the parish registers, it would suit me and my pursuit of Sarah Jones (born c. 1770) if his daughter Sarah Jones (born Sarah Hodges c. 1740) had a daughter also called Sarah who married Andrew Murray (also of the East India Company) in 1800 in St George, Hanover Square!

Don't take family bible as "Gospel".
There is in existence in Australia, a Murray family bible. Almost certainly compiled retrospectively by William Murray or his son William Charles Murray, it contains enough detail to check against English and Scottish records, and with errors that can be accounted for by time, distance and a failing memory. There is nothing in the English records (or not that I’ve discovered yet) to suggest that the Andrew and Sarah Murray who were the parents of the children born and baptised at St. George's, Bloomsbury in the first two decades of the 19th century were the Andrew Murray and Sarah Jones who married at St George's, Hanover Square in 1800, or that this Andrew Murray had been born in Banchory in Aberdeenshire, Scotland in 1774. Yet these details from the family bible can be corroborated in the UK records - and the details are too close to be a mere coincidence. Andrew was actually born in Banchory Devenick in Kincardineshire, and although the bible states that Sarah Jones was also born in Scotland, at an unknown place called Farnford, this latter seems unlikely as in the 1841 census for England although she gives her birthplace as “not Middlesex”, there is no S for Scotland in the final column. She was probably assumed by her children to be Scottish by association.

The problem comes when you find that the family bible details are taken as “gospel”. For instance the bible says that my great great grandfather Charles Henry Murray was born in 1816: I have his birth date and baptism details from the parish registers of St George Bloomsbury and it definitely says he was born on the 4th January 1813 and baptised on the 31st January that year. It also says he had a second middle name - Eugene. Well, that does not appear on his baptism entry, his marriage certificate, any legal documents or documents he signed, his patent applications, his will or his death certificate. All I can think is that it may have been a nickname that he had in the family - it does not appear to be a name he ever used in any formal capacity.

When their children were born between 1801 and 1817 Andrew and Sarah Murray were living in Everett Street, near Russell Square in Bloomsbury. Andrew's occupation is Hairdresser. The family bible says he died in 1833, but he must be the Andrew Murray whose death from apoplexy on the 29th January 1831 is recorded by the Bloomsbury Searchers, and who was buried on the 1st February 1831 at St George's, Bloomsbury, aged 57 of Hunter Street, Bloomsbury. It would have been easy for William to have mis-remembered the year when compiling the family bible - he would only have been 14 at the time. Fortunately at this period in London the name Murray is relatively unusual, especially when combined with the forename Andrew. See entry below for why the date of death of William's mother is accurately recorded in the bible!

So the message must be to not take everything that appears in a family bible at face value, at best it may be a pointer to the real historical facts, unless it is recording contemporary events.

February 14th 2010. I haven't given up on the family history, I've been trying to get all my Murray info. into some sort of order. But there seems to be more and more of it. The connection between Charles Henry Murray and Thomas Middleton & Co. goes back further than I supposed, as they also manufactured his chain pumps, and indeed won a medal with one at the London International Exhibition in 1862. I have discovered a particularly tragic Christmas and New Year for the family in 1851/1852, and a lot more on the South Australian connection.

I'm not sure how accurate the following is, but it's an interpretation:

William Murray’s “clandestine” marriage

William Murray married Elizabeth de Normanville at St Giles, Cripplegate on the 15th February 1848. Their first son William Charles was born on the 24th April 1848. In a family that by and large seems to have behaved respectably this seems an unfortunate lapse. Perhaps there was a reason?

If William Charles was a full-term baby then he would have been conceived in July 1847. William’s mother Sarah Murray died on the 31st August 1847. It may have been that William and Elizabeth were preparing for an August or September marriage that had to be postponed six months for a period of mourning.

The circumstances of the marriage point to an element of secrecy. It was by licence, and the witnesses are not family members. St Giles, Cripplegate was a parish with which neither of them had an apparent connection, although Elizabeth gives the parish as her place of residence, with William giving his as St. Pancras.

Further investigation of the witnesses proved illuminating. Their names are James Patching and Gelly Johns.

In 1841 James Patching is a Journeyman Tailor living in Princes Street, St Giles Cripplegate Without. He is at 6 Princes Street in 1851 as a Master Tailor, and in 1861 is still at the same address, a Tailor and Deputy Parish Clerk, born Brighton. It is possible that James Patching was an acquaintance of Elizabeth’s family as she had been brought up in Brighton, hence perhaps the parish connection.

In 1841 Gelly Johns is living in Red Cross Street and he is a Bookbinder. (According to the Sun Fire Office records he was living at 56 Red Cross Street, Cripplegate, as a bookbinder and straw bonnet manufacturer in 1825 and 1837 [National Archives]). In 1851 he’s living at 5 Fore Street as the Sexton of St Giles. The 1861 census describes him as Sexton and Guest house keeper and places 5 Fore Street literally next to the church of St. Giles, Cripplegate. Was his guesthouse well-known for providing a residence for couples who wanted a discreet wedding?

Whatever the circumstances to have two parish officers as your witnesses does seem to point to a certain clandestine quality to the marriage!

July 26th 2009. Have temporarily abandoned the Murrays after a contact on GenesReunited from someone on the other side of the family. The Perriors are an interesting lot; when they ran into my Bradleys they were living in Hounslow, so this may very well cast some light on my father's missing years. They were originally from Wiltshire: Wylye and Steeple Langford. My uncle Albert's father Tom Perrior (born in 1848) was a hairdresser, though there is also a strong military tradition in the family. But what caught my eye was Tom's aunt Martha who in 1881 is the postmistress in Steeple Langford. Cosy images of Larkrise to Candleford rose up only to be shattered when I found her in 1861 age 35 and living in the same village with her elderly parents with a youthful Martha and Jane Perrior. This is annotated in the relationship column as "illeg. daurs. of Martha Perrior". Now I'm pretty certain her father didn't write that, it sounds like the enumerator sharing his local knowledge!

May 10th 2009. What happened to Great Uncle Joe and his family? This is a whole missing (so far) branch of the Murrays. Joseph Henry Murray was born in 1891 in Walworth, South London and appears on the 1901 and 1911 censuses. In 1914 he married Jenny Atkins in Catford, and they were producing children fairly regularly in the Lewisham registration district - so probably still Catford - up till 1931. But then where did they go?

I've managed to trace Jenny Atkins' line back to her great grandfather William Attkins, a Cook in Cotton Hall, Eton College in 1841. Her father William Attkins (the second 't' gets lost around the year 1900) worked for the Great Eastern Railway: he's a lavatory attendant in 1911, a Railway shunter in 1891, and his demotion becomes clear in 1901 when he's described as a railway servant, with "lost both legs" written in the disability column - presumably an industrial accident. In both 1901 and 1911 he describes himself as married, though his wife is not present. In 1911 he even says he's been married 20 years, with 3 children of whom one is living. Jenny Atkins turns out to be an Essex Girl, born in Walthamstow 21 April 1894, and her mother was Jane [Wilson] Wright who married William Atkins in Hackney in 1891.

In 1911 William Atkins and his daughter Jenny are living with his brother Alfred and his wife and daughter along with Maria Atkins, mother to William and Alfred, in Silvermere Road, Catford - just the other side of the present-day Catford Gyratory from Engleheart Rd. where the Murrays are living. They were new arrivals south of the river: Jenny's little cousin Ada who is just 1 in 1911 was born in Manor Park, Essex, which is where the whole family were living in 1901.

February 15th 2009. It's not every day you can prove a family story but it does seem as if Charles Henry Murray did design machinery used to build the Embankment in London. I have found adverts in the Times in the 1870s advertising Murray's chain pumps for sale on the completion of the building of a northern section of the Embankment. His chain pumps appear to have been quite famous - the patent for them from 1857 is mentioned in a timeline of pump development on the website of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers.

Andrew John Murray, the brother of Charles Henry, also took out patents on machinery, but appears to have been a solicitor, have gone to Adelaide with his new wife Georgiana before 1841, worked in an official capacity for Adelaide City Council in several roles including Town Clerk (pro tem.) before removing to Port Lincoln as Government Resident and Stipendary Magistrate in the mid 1850s. He was removed from office because he preferred the labourers over the squatters in his judgements, and also had a very humane approach to the Aborigines. He was back in England before 1868 after witnessing his brother William's second marriage in Adelaide in 1863. In 1875 he sued his brother Charles Henry for more than £ 2000 for materials and services provided. Bankrupt in 1879, he was declared free of debt just 10 days before his death in 1880.

January 18th 2009. 1911 census update. I've found most people I was expecting to and in the right places, so no great surprises.

The Murrays are at 9 Engleheart Rd., Catford. My grandfather Charles Frank Murray puts himself as Head, age 27 and a Pork Butcher's machineman. His mother Harriet Eliza Ingersoll is age 53 and housekeeper. She's married but no sign of husband Frederick Ryley Ingersoll (he died in 1921). Like many people she's confused (perhaps deliberately) over the marriage question. She says she's been in the present marriage for 17 years, but in fact she didn't actually marry FRI until 1906 (after the births of their 3 children). She says she's had 8 children from this marriage: she'd had 8 children from all her marriages, of whom 6 survived. Also present are her children, Charles Frank's brothers and sisters (he doesn't distinguish 'steps'): Catherine Murray, 25, single, general servant domestic; Margaret Murray, 21, single, general servant domestic; Joseph Murray, 19, single, shop assistant, greengrocers; Louisa Ingersoll, 14, general servant domestic; Alice Rose Ingersoll, 9, school.

The Cattleys and Molnars are still at 248 Commercial Rd., Peckham. Louisa Cattley is Head, widow age 66. With her is daughter Emma, age 32, single, Fur machinist; and grandchildren, Nellie Molnar (my grandmother), 21, Fur machinist, Emma Molnar, 20, Brace cutter and Lewis Molnar, 10, School. Louisa has incorrectly as far as the census is concerned (but helpfully for me) entered the number of her children: six in total one of whom (my great grandmother) has died. But no sign of Mihaly Molnar (my great grandfather) just like in 1901; he died in Camberwell in 1913, so I'm sure he's around somewhere.

The Bradleys have moved from West Ham out to 1 Chadwell Avenue, Chadwell Heath. John Pearl Bradley at 66 is a GPO pensioner. His wife Annie Eliza is 58. The marriage has lasted 30 years (28 actually) and all 7 children are still living. In the household are Ethel May, 25, laundry maid, Cecil Thomas, 18, counterman (Grocers), Annie, 13, schooling, Sidney Charles (my dad), 10, Schooling.

November 1st 2008 Failing any news I'm going to post some brickwalls here in case someone else can help:

• Who was John Robson, my 3xgreat grandfather, the coachman and father of Louisa born in Lewisham in December 1843?
• When, if ever, did he marry Susannah Divall? Must have been after 1841 as she is still single and living in Lewisham in the census.
• When did he die? She says she's a widow in the 1861 census and I can't find them in 1851.
• And, what about Elizabeth Alice Catt or Cattley, my great grandmother. She must have been born around 1863/64 in the New Cross or Deptford area. Her birth wasn't registered and I can't find her baptism in the obvious parish records.

April 14th 2007 It doesn't get much better than this! Following up a family lead on the date and a hunch on the place I have got the death certificate for Sarah Murray (née Jones) the wife of Andrew, and my ggg grandmother. She died on the 31st August 1847 at 61 Charrington Street, Somers Town, St Pancras at the age of 78 (putting her birth in 1769) from apoplexy. Her youngest son William, not yet married to Elizabeth de Normanville (1848) registered the death and described her as the widow of Andrew Murray, Purser in the East India Company's service. Did Andrew join the East India Company at a young age then move to the shore-based Powder Mills, then after his marriage in 1800 retire to become a hairdresser in Bloomsbury?

March 23rd 2007 More Cattley baptisms have surfaced at the London Metropolitan Archives: and at St James Hatcham. William Charles Cattley was baptised Jan. 12 1866, Isaac is a stoker and the address is 6 Clifton Rd., but no date of birth is given. Albert Cattley was baptised April 25 1871 (born 10 June 1870), Isaac is still a stoker, and the adddress is 15 Clifton Rd., as it had been on the baptism of Stephen James in 1867. So with Louisa Margaret (bap. 23 Feb 1873, b. 21 Oct 1872) that accounts for four of Isaac and Louisa's children, but I have still not found my Elizabeth Alice, who was born around 1863/4, in any of the Deptford parishes, or the somewhat suspect Louise (b. c1861 in Camberwell?) or Emma (Emily) born in 1875 rather too long after Isaac's death in 1873.

Louisa Robson's baptism at St. Mary's Lewisham on Jan 31st 1844 certainly suggests that her parents, John Robson and Susannah Rosina [Divall] were married at the time, but I still can't find the marriage which must have taken place after the 1841 census. John Robson is consistently described as a coachman. In 1861 Susannah is a widow when she marries William Charles Cater. Isaac and Louisa are the witnesses a week before their own marriage. Louisa notably cannot sign her name though Isaac can - so he must have colluded in his re-naming as a Cattley, as that is how he signed on both marriage entries. Confusingly their banns at St Paul Deptford are in the names of Louisa Robinson and Isaac Cattley - so is that where the mis-naming of Isaac crept in?

February 26th 2007 I have found Isaac Cattley at last - or rather Isaac Catt, as that is the name he grew up and died with. I searched Ancestry for his wife in the 1871 census as she consistently called herself Louisa (about the only consistent name in the family) and was born 31 December 1843 in Lewisham. And there was the family transcribed with the surname Cart - as only the final T had been crossed - living in Clifton Road, Deptford. (See March 1st 2006). More to the point Isaac is there too, as an Engine driver (Railway), aged 31 and born in Tenterden, Kent. So how did the name get to be Cattley on Louisa and Isaac's marriage certificate and other official documents? And their children's names? I like to think Louisa wanted to be associated with the south London Russia merchant Cattleys and decided to upmarket the family name whenever she could! Much as Isaac is a farmer not a fireman on their marriage certificate - or was that a genuine mishearing or mistranscription? See new Isaac and Louisa page for more details.

February 20th 2007 Having been reminded of the existence of Gazettes Online, I remembered that it listed patents. I already have a copy of a patent for a chain pump that Charles Henry Murray (my gg grandfather) invented, and I'd always wondered if there were any more of his inventions out there, especially as my mother always referred to the working models (plural) of his machinery that they were allowed to play with when, as children, they were ill, not to mention two medals. His son-in-law George Bryce registered his death and described his occupation as Inventor. Nevertheless I was surprised at the number of references that came up for Patents with his name in the London Gazette in the 1860s and 1870s. The family story is that he designed the machinery that built the Embankment, and with patents for cutting off underwater piles, and new models of skips for raising ballast it seems this might be at least partially true. More research is needed here ...

February 1st 2007 I am finding more and more Essex connections. My Great grandmother Ann Skinner appears twice (not that unusual an occurrence) on the 1841 census in West Ham: once at home as an eleven year old member of the extended Skinner family, and again at the same premises as John Took, a journeyman baker, and a married couple. Was she a servant? She was in 1851. The 1841 Skinner family consists of Mary Skinner and her children - Emma, Anne, John, Sarah and Henry - her mother Mary Holbrook, and brother Robert Holbrook. Anne's father, John Skinner had died in 1838 a few months before the birth of the youngest child, Henry. Both Mary Holbrook and Mary Skinner died in 1842, and Robert Holbrook married in 1843. Not surprisingly the children are scattered on the 1851 census.

October 24th 2006 Found Charles Henry Murray's birth and baptism details at last. Tried the other church in Bloomsbury - St. George - at the London Metropolitan Archives and there he is along with brothers Andrew John, Robert and the William who went off to Australia. Their parents are Andrew and Sarah - presumably the Andrew Murray and Sarah Jones who married at St George's Hanover Square on 17th October 1800, and the same Andrew Murray baptised in 1774 in Banchory Devenick. The address is Everett Street, and Andrew's occupation is Hair Dresser - a far cry from the Superintendent of the Powder Works at Hounslow and the Purser of the marriage certificates for Charles Henry and William. The other children - James (born 1801) and Margaret (born 1804) must have been baptised in a different parish. So Charles Henry Murray my great great grandfather was born on January 3rd 1813, and baptised on January 31st 1813 at St George, Bloomsbury Way, Holborn.

October 8th 2006 I don't know if anyone other than me reads this - I find it useful to remind myself where I've got to - but it's been a busy summer with not much time for family history research. However some things have come to light ...

One reason for stopping off in Edinburgh on the way to Skye was to visit New Register House. I've been pursuing Scots on my side and Tony's. So I did some research on my Murrays, following up the OPRs traced through ScotlandsPeople. This is all dependent on the accuracy of the information received from my Australian contact, but the Murrays and Sims were prolific families in Banchory Devenick in the 1700s. My 3g grandfather Andrew was baptised on May 26 1774, and the residence is the Miln of Banchory - his parents are John and Elspet Sim (slight problem here as all the other Murrays baptised to John Murray are with his wife Margaret Sim! - nothing is ever quite straightforward). The first Murray baptised from the Mill of Banchory was John in September 1766, before that the residence was Tillihowes (Tilliehowes, Tillyhowes) with the first child baptised being Isabel in 1759 (witnesses James Milne and Robert Sim). There were Sim baptisms from the Mill of Banchory in at least 1759 and 1762.

July 21st 2006 Casually asked Tony who the elderly Elizabeth was who attended Hopkins family gatherings when we first met in the sixties, and he suddenly remembered Lizzie Clampitt. She married Jimmy (Hugo James) Cress the brother of the William Cress who married Tony's aunt Winnie. But that wasn't the only family connection. It turns out that she was also a cousin of his grandfather, the daughter of Eliza Courtney (sister to Sarah) and James Heaton Clampitt. Lizzie Clampitt of course would have known the Hopkins/Courtney family secrets, and she was probably the source of the rumours of the Vestey/Dewhurst link. She was also aware that the family (ie the Courtneys it now appears) were a long established Tranmere family. She remained known by her maiden name as she didn't marry until she was in her sixties just after the Second World War, when she retired from her job at Lever Brothers, where she had been a formidable forewoman. She died in 1979 at the age of 90.

May 20th 2006 At last! I have found the marriage of Harriet Eliza Murray to Frederick Ingersoll in Greenwich in 1906 - only 12 years after the birth of their first child. I wonder what finally prompted them to get legal?

April 30th 2006 Update on the Bradleys. I knew the Romford registration district covered a large area including the modern boroughs of Redbridge, Havering and Barking - so I didn't really expect them to have lived in Romford itself - where I quite coincidentally worked when we first moved into Essex. However they didn't live too far away, and the family address seems to have been 1 Chadwell Avenue, Ilford. This is where Anne Eliza Bradley (ms Smart) died on the 8th April 1912 aged 59, and is the address given on the marriage certificate of my aunt Ada in November 1912. Aunt Eleanor married in St Edward's Church in the marketplace, Romford in 1907 and the address is Alandale, Mildmay Rd., Romford. John Pearl Bradley died on the 26th April 1915 at 41 Priory Rd., Barking. I already knew his oldest son Alfred by his first wife had been married in Brentwood, so I seem to have unwittingly come home to Essex!.

John Pearl Bradley's parents both died at 18 Plaistow Rd., West Ham: John Bradley in 1870 at age 53, and Sarah Bradley (ms Pearl) in1882 at age 66. His grandmother Christian Bradley (ms Otterwell) died in Buxhall 28 November 1854 at the age of 82.

March 19th 2006 Sometime between 1901 and 1907 my father and his family moved from West Ham into the Romford registration district. His sisters Eleanor and Ada both married in that district in 1907 and 1912 respectively, and his parents both died there: Annie Eliza Bradley in 1912, and John Pearl Bradley in 1915. His sister Ethel, appears to have left home before marrying as she married in Windsor in 1911. After the death of their father the younger members of the family (Dorothy, Annie and Sidney) must have moved to live with their married sister Ethel in West London. Dorothy and Annie (Nance) both married in Brentford in 1917 and 1925. I don't have my father's military service record, but I suspect he joined the Royal Artillery as soon as he was old enough. He married his first wife in Dunbar in Scotland in 1926.

March 1st 2006 I spent a frustrating day at the London Metropolitan Archives on Monday 27th February. Charles Henry Murray was not baptised at St Giles in the Fields between 1812 and 1819. On the 1851 census he gives his place of birth as St Giles, Middx., and in 1861 as Bloomsbury, Middx. In following censuses he just puts down Middlesex. So St Giles in the Fields seemed a fairly likely place to try. He may well have been born there, but not baptised.

I did manage to find two further references to confirm the existence of the elusive Isaac Cattley. His name is on the baptism registers for St James Hatcham for two of his children: Stephen James (1868, 15 Clifton Road, Fire man) and Louisa Margaret (1873, 5 Angus Street, Stoker). No sign of Albert (1870), or Emma (1875), nor of my Great grandmother Elizabeth Alice (1864?) whose birth was not registered either. This does confirm his steam engine/railway connections especially as they lived at New Cross - the registers are full of railway employees.

February 2006 I am currently researching the Murray line particularly trying to find the elusive Andrew born around 1780, and Superintendent of the Powder Mills at Hounslow in 1841. This has led on a lateral line to the De Normanvilles: Elizabeth, either the daughter, or perhaps grand daughter, of the Marquis de Normanville who fled France in 1792 married Andrew's son William in 1842. Her brother was an engineer working in London, and so were Charles and William Murray the aforementioned Andrew's sons. The link was made by a reference in Charles' will (1892) to his nephew Andrew Hodges de Normanville Murray (born to William and Elizabeth in 1861). Surely a name to be remembered, but one that seems to have disappeared without trace!

Following up a deed of grave given by William Murray to his brother Charles in 1861, it would appear that Elizabeth died in 1861 following the birth of Andrew. She is buried at Kensal Green. Her death announcement in the Times, and that of Andrew's birth, have both been placed by William Murray, CE, of Adelaide South Australia. I assume CE denotes Civil (or Chartered?) Engineer, as that is his status on his son Andrew's birth certificate. On his marriage certificate he gave his occupation as Surveyor. Searching the Adelaide City Council archives I came across references to a W. or William Murray who was City Surveyor pro tem, or, acting, in 1857 - can this be my William? It is perhaps no coincidence that William Louis de Normanville, Borough Surveyor and creator of Leamington Spa, and nephew to William Murray, went to South Australia in the 1860s where he worked in the Government Civil Engineers Department.